Self-introduction of灭资兴无

Extinction of capitalism and the rise of socialism, a full-time student. In junior high school, due to online rumors that the “Spark Manual” was leftist, I later crossed the wall to the tg platform, observed various organizations for a long time, and studied the basic principles of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. I noticed that the association’s “ideological struggle” route, and the critique of the ideological struggle route in the second issue of the “Inevitability Newspaper” by the Anti-Revisionist Society, made me feel confused. I have some understanding of the “Middle and Unfinished Revolution” of the association, but I still find it difficult to distinguish truth from falsehood, so I posted on the forum.

Appendix: Now, I want to talk about the shortage of revolutionary talents and the issue of actively learning skills needed by the study groups to overcome the fear of difficulties. Yes, these comrades feel painful about the shortage of talents in the group, and this pain is justified. Such phenomena of pain are manifested in many ways within the group. However, these comrades are constrained by the “ideological struggle” route that prioritizes student work, which makes it impossible to find a way out of this unbearable situation. It can only be attributed to personal ideological consciousness issues: you cannot take the initiative to learn this, cannot overcome the troublesome and fear of difficulties, and should learn the skills needed by the group. This vicious circle is like being caught in a ghost wall, not understanding that the talents we need come from society (mainly referring to workers), that is, from the integration of the communist movement with the working class. On the contrary, we have many talents promoted from society, but we are not good at discovering and utilizing them. Currently, the fundamental problem is that we refuse to do their work. When the small group’s branch (which actually violates the group’s route) was doing worker work, it was found that some workers were dissatisfied with the existing full-time system and willing to organize and resist this despotic system. This situation will inevitably deepen with the economic decline of the middle-revisionist despotic government and the increasing greed of the masses for its various systems, laws, and officials. The masses will increasingly realize that the despotic system is becoming unbearable, but at the same time, no one is there—no political leaders (referring to leaders of the workers), no skilled organizers to conduct extensive worker work, not even a decent popular booklet for the working class. Revolutionary organizations have fallen far behind the workers. Workers want to organize, but our revolutionary groups remain indifferent, immersed in personal ideological cultivation, trapped in the mud of improving personal consciousness. This is truly infuriating. Yes, comrades, if we cannot discover and utilize talents from the workers’ work, making them work for the group (communist movement) or providing some help, we will only feel that the number of people is decreasing and that moving forward is becoming more difficult. Oh, we have no one who can do this! Ultimately, under the pressure of the leadership’s petty-bourgeois fear of trouble and difficulties “criticism,” we are forced to learn various skills and knowledge, spending a lot of time on such work, and repeatedly hitting walls because we do not know how to practice. The more time we spend on this, the more we shrink the worker work we urgently need—this is a political crime! Moreover, in this situation, the shortage of people will only worsen. Young students detach from the large-scale social production, learning these skills and correcting their individualism while entering the social production. The expansion of student work and the ideological struggle route lead to a large accumulation of skill learning within the group, mainly because young students’ consciousness is not high enough. This falls into a dead end of increasing ideological transformation, delaying actual worker work more and more. This is the complete absurdity and error of the bolded words above.

The usual method of the publication is to cultivate a batch of qualified cadres through personal ideological transformation, and then these cadres complete revolutionary tasks. So, I have to ask: what are these so-called cadres? What kind of cadres can complete revolutionary tasks? How do they acquire the skills to deal with the police of the despotic government? How do they organize workers and improve workers’ political consciousness? How to ensure the continuity of the organization in the revolutionary movement? The publication touches its head and shouts that as long as the consciousness is high enough, it’s enough. Once personal thoughts, organizational discipline, revolutionary skills, and worker work are improved, members can rely on extremely high personal consciousness not to reveal organizational secrets when caught by the police, and the organization can continue. As long as the human problem is solved, it’s fine. The publication honestly states that, but let’s look at how the “cadres” cultivated by the group actually are: they have no experience in worker work, obey the leadership’s personal calls, have no ideas for revolutionary work, and are stuck in the strange circle of personal ideological transformation—completely detached from the proletarian masses. So, where do true revolutionaries come from? They come from the proletarian revolutionary movement, only by engaging in or participating in specific mass movements and work, and persistently cultivating their revolutionary skills and tactics in the mass movement, can they become qualified revolutionaries. Not participating in broad mass movements means they cannot gain these valuable revolutionary experiences. The newspapers say that transforming thoughts can solve the handicraft industry, which is simply nonsense. Revolutionaries cultivated this way are theoretically weak, unstable, narrow-minded, and inexperienced in fighting the police of the despotic government. They are clumsy and unqualified as proletarian revolutionaries—merely pitiful handicraft workers. From this, it is clear that the publication has expanded handicraft industry rather than shrunk it. The reality is a sharp knife; nothing better reflects the harm of the publication than the reality of the group. This is the entire mistake of the publication.

Second, Liu Shaoqi said that by observing each person’s stance, attitude, speech, and actions on political issues, one can understand which class’s views, preferences, emotions, hopes, interests, and demands they mainly represent at that time. With this, and given how much he emphasizes “self-cultivation,” Liu Shaoqi would surely conclude: 1. Individuals must constantly examine whether their behavior conforms to the standards of “high cultivation and high consciousness,” similar to Confucian and Mencian “self-reflection three times a day” and “think thrice before acting”; 2. Any speech or action, even details of personal life, if not meeting the “high cultivation” standard, then Liu Shaoqi can be sure that their backward thoughts dominate, that they do not represent the proletariat, that they are representatives of petty-bourgeoisie or bourgeoisie, and can be targeted for struggle; 3. To achieve his own “progress in cultivation” or “promote others’ cultivation,” he must find ways to improve his “struggle against backward thoughts” within the organization. “Backward thoughts” are his objects of struggle (he might argue that the struggle is not against individuals but against “backward thoughts on individuals”—of course, no matter how he argues, the organizational issue is reduced to personal consciousness); 4. To combine this “struggle for personal cultivation” with the political route struggle within the organization. Thus, Liu Shaoqi successfully mixes the issues of understanding and ideological consciousness (although he deliberately mentions “the roots of epistemology,” but everyone knows this is another smokescreen trick), suppresses moderate members leaning towards revolution, and muddles the “organized” nature of intra-party struggle, making it disorderly, leading to “mutual struggles over personal issues” among moderate members, preventing them from approaching the revolutionaries.

—Anti-Revisionist Society “Inevitability Newspaper” Issue Two

So why do you only repost articles from Fashu She? What is your own view on all of this?

Sensory understanding is still in its early stages, and rational understanding has not yet formed, making it difficult to express my views.

What do you think is true and what is false?

Which route is true, which route is false? For them, the route of ideological struggle is false, essentially an opportunist route. For you, the route of ideological struggle is true, essentially a revolutionary route.

Additionally, the purpose of the self-introduction section is to understand your personal situation for your own introduction. Your self-introduction is very simple and lacks content that allows others to understand you. Secondly, simply excerpting a paragraph from someone else’s article without any explanation or clarification makes it impossible for us to understand and evaluate the examples you provided.

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Isn’t my introduction above? If anyone has questions they’d like to ask, feel free to do so.

The forum also doesn’t allow attachments, so I can’t post the full text either.

You can send attachments after passing the self-introduction, but it seems you haven’t looked at the specific requirements for the self-introduction on the forum.
The “actual worker’s work” mentioned in the article is just empty talk. Those selfish and self-interested people who are unwilling to detach from even low-level interests are even less likely and capable of truly doing any “actual worker’s work.” After all, to do worker’s work, one must sacrifice a lot of time that could originally be used for gaming or watching pornography to participate in hired labor, and also spend a lot of time understanding Marxism to a certain extent. Only by shedding the state of idleness can one truly promote Marxism to workers.

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So according to what you said, the leftist workers themselves cannot do propaganda among workers. You mentioned the word “genuine,” and I can’t help but feel puzzled. What is the definition of the “genuine” you refer to? At the same time, are students still the ones doing worker’s work? The leftists on TG advocate “going to the workers,” meaning intellectuals who understand Marxism-Leninism-Maoism personally participate in the “employed labor” of the “workers,” go to factories to promote and propagate among workers, identify the advanced, and prepare for the “organization” of the vanguard. This is the integrated worker route. This is also the kind of worker work that should be done. According to your view, we should first keep learning without stopping, and only after the learning is “complete” can we do worker work. But who determines the degree of “completeness”? The objective situation is unpredictable, so where can we find the time for “specialized” study? According to your view, there is no situation where one can both integrate with workers and study theory; why can’t both be done simultaneously? The method is, as you said, to abandon low-level interests, promote workers while studying, eliminate the state of ignorance, and achieve a certain level of worker work. Isn’t this what should be done? You said I didn’t meet the requirements of the self-introduction; please specify where I do not meet the requirements. Thank you.

First of all, I am saying that without shedding the decayed culture of the bourgeoisie, there will be no genuine willingness to participate in wage labor, and even if forced to participate, workers’ work cannot be carried out well (and is difficult to persist in).
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According to your statement, there is no situation of both integrating work and studying theory; why can’t both be achieved simultaneously?
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And not that one must do so in order to transform one’s thoughts through labor, contact the workers’ masses, and first become their student. To achieve both, there can be no room for retaining low-level interests, and to overcome various kinds of low-level interests, only through long-term repeated ideological struggle can it be accomplished.
The rules for self-introduction are here
https://www.jfdzlt.com/t/topic/3

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After reading this reply from Mi Zixingwu, I felt confused. Because 19586 never mentioned the so-called “studying specifically, then going to work after completing the study,” how did you conclude the argument that “according to your words, there is no situation of both integrating work and studying theory”?
And I also see that Mi Zixingwu still does not understand the current practice of the association, nor what ideological struggle is. I suggest you seriously read our guiding documents, “The Road of China’s Future Revolution.”

And if you want to have an in-depth exchange with everyone, I hope you can seriously write a self-introduction and show sincerity.

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首先,19586说的是:

你从哪里得出了以下结论呢?

关于你的这个说法:

《曙光》杂志的第一期《中国未来革命的道路》已经做出了回答,在此给你引用部分:

当前中国革命处在建立统一的马克思主义组织的阶段。在这个时候,我们不应该像当年的俄国大学生一样无谋地喊着“融工”,或者只是光顾着创立网络杂志和论坛,却不进行思想上和组织上的统一工作;更不能像“左人”一样整天在自己的反动俱乐部里虚度光阴。为了能够真正建立马克思主义的革命组织,我们必须进行思想斗争,一方面坚持同外部的机会主义流派斗争,一方面坚持对内部的非无产阶级思想进行改造。只有这样,革命知识分子才能彻底掌握马克思主义的理论体系,并击败各种机会主义流派,建立真正坚持社会主义世界观的马克思主义小组,并将它们统一成强大的马克思主义组织。

并不是说“融工”与创建杂志和论坛等活动本身是无意义的,但是,在没有明确的目的指导之下,这些活动的意义是有限的。特别是“融工”,如果不注意改造思想,带着资产阶级世界观和小资产阶级的思想进入工人队伍,不仅不能改变自己的思想,还很可能把小资产阶级思想带进工人队伍,或是在和落后工人相处的过程中互相加深小资产阶级思想影响,更谈不上什么传播马克思主义了。相反地,“融工”和创建杂志和论坛等活动是必要的,但是它必须是在马克思主义思想的指导和马克思主义组织的计划安排下进行的,进行这些活动的同时必须开展思想斗争。

这个过程中,革命知识分子在马克思主义思想斗争理论指导下不断参与社会三大实践,共同学习、共同工作、共同生活,一边学习理论,一边参与劳动。这样,知识分子自己也就成为了无产阶级的一部分,并且是无产阶级中的先进部分。我们并不需要去讨论网络左圈争论不休的问题——先“融工”,还是先“学习”?因为我们自己就是无产者!这条道路也正是符合布尔什维克党和中国共产党的历史经验的,在真正的革命组织里,完全脱产的职业革命家只能是极少数,除了需要有维持组织运转的经济基础这个原因以外,依靠群众的共产党也必然要求它的党员和群众相结合。革命知识分子要和劳动群众相结合,除了“同吃、同住、同劳动”以外,再没有什么更好的办法。

我们现在很多人就是一边工作一边学习,并不存在什么不可兼得的情况。

自我介绍的要求,前面19586已经发过了。

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You used the Chinese conjunction “更” (“even more”) in your statement, but now you say that what you mentioned is not this issue. If that’s not the case, why did you bring it up?

Thank you for reading carefully.

So what exactly counts as “sincerity”? If there are still questions, just ask, and I will respond.

19586 says that without shedding the state of ignorance and idleness, one cannot “truly” do propaganda to workers.

This also means: the prerequisite (necessary and sufficient condition) for truly doing propaganda to workers is “shedding the state of ignorance and idleness,” that is, mastering Marx, Lenin, Mao theory.

Doubt 1: How do you define the word “truly”? Can spontaneous propaganda by leftist youth workers be considered “truly” propaganda? If so, then this spontaneously propagating worker obviously has not met the prerequisite of “mastering Marx, Lenin, Mao theory,” which is contrary to your conclusion—thus, leftist workers themselves cannot do propaganda to workers because they have not “shed the state of ignorance and idleness.” So I ask, what exactly counts as shedding the state of ignorance and idleness? Who defines it? Does this count as empty and meaningless?

I didn’t understand the meaning of your sentence

I have long had doubts here: are revolutionary organizations really built solely through ideological struggle? Where do the opportunist ideas come from in the first place? How do you answer this question? I am really curious.

What is meant by “spontaneous propaganda of leftist youth workers”? Do you have any examples? I have seen many people like you who shout that there is no need for systematic learning or ideological transformation, and that it’s enough to go directly among workers and start propaganda.
The problem is, it seems you don’t like to listen to others? Our stance has never been to wait until after learning Marxism-Leninism-Maoism before transforming ourselves, but rather to insist on systematic study, labor-based self-transformation, and propaganda work simultaneously. All of this cannot be done without breaking away from bourgeois culture and eliminating low-level tastes. We have proven this in practice long ago. Those who do not persist in ideological struggle cannot possibly endure the hardships of the working class. Ideological struggle itself transforms petty-bourgeois individualism’s worldview through practice. Since propaganda is for Marxism, for revolution, and for the public good, what is your stance against ideological struggle? Can you state it directly? What exactly do you mean by “spontaneous propaganda of leftist youth workers”? Those who believe that not engaging in ideological struggle and that just working is enough are not only you. Don’t they all end up playing games, falling in love, and breaking up while working? If you cannot even maintain self-transformation of worldview, how can you persist in propaganda work?
I don’t know what you’re trying to say with these empty words. Can you clearly state your main point directly?

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How can you switch the topic like that? Who here said that revolutionary organizations are only built on ideological struggle?