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2025.1.20
BBAB:
Schizophrenia should be treated through studying Mao Zedong Thought
Daydayup:
Is this true?
Fenghuo Flame:
Although the topic itself is unrelated, mental illness can indeed be treated with Mao Zedong Thought, because so-called mental illness is caused by social phenomena. I can give you a file to look at.
It’s this article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought,” published during the Cultural Revolution in the People’s Daily, probably quite simple. If you don’t understand something after reading, you can post a question to us.
Daydayup:
Thanks. I believe mental illness involves physiological changes. Of course, I used to think mental problems could be solved just by forgetting worries.
But how can trauma be healed just by forgetting? My friend took psychiatric medication and ended up with worse memory loss, which was more painful.
Swamp Soldier:
Social existence determines social consciousness. In capitalist society, mental illness is generally rooted in capitalist oppression.
Daydayup:
What about mental illness in socialist times?
Swamp Soldier:
For example, many students now suffer from varying degrees of depression.
Daydayup:
Can that also be attributed to capitalist oppression?
Swamp Soldier:
Take the article above as an example.
One case mentioned is because “the fiancé from out of town wrote that he was assigned to do kitchen work. The patient felt ashamed and had intense ideological struggles.”
It’s because of the bourgeois class ideology that considers kitchen work shameful,
which stems from bourgeois ideological consciousness.
Naturally, if you don’t get out of this narrow selfish viewpoint, the problem can’t be solved.
Daydayup:
The pain and pressure experienced by the previous generation, and the attempt of the next generation to earn big money to relieve it, forces children to study madly. School teachers, aiming for better performance, continue to push harder.
Swamp Soldier:
But this doesn’t mean completely rejecting medication. Many other situations require specific analysis.
Daydayup 16:23
Is having face (saving face) a bourgeois ideological consciousness?
I used to think ideology was only divided into socialism and capitalism after reading the news.
Fenghuo Flame 16:24
Medication can’t solve the problem; only ideological struggle can resolve mental issues.
Daydayup 16:25
How does ideological struggle work? Is it about suppressing negative thoughts with positive ones?
Fenghuo Flame:
No, people’s understanding comes from practice. Ideological struggle is carried out through practice.
Principal - Bù:
Simply suppressing won’t eliminate wrong ideas.
Swamp Soldier:
Because social ideological consciousness has relative independence, feudal ideas are still rampant today. But in China, these exploitative class ideas are ultimately aimed at maintaining private property and capitalism.
How does ideological struggle work? Is it about suppressing negative thoughts with positive ones?
Fenghuo Flame 16:27
I roughly understand what you’re troubled by, but explaining this clearly is very complex. We can indeed answer your question in detail.
We’ve discussed what mental illness is, whether depression is a mental illness, its sources, and so on, a long time ago.
Zer_Tark:
Mental issues should also be analyzed from the contradiction in thoughts. Many students feel pain due to family and school oppression, but because of their economic status and long-standing individualist thoughts, they can’t be independent from their parents and are unwilling to give up their academic interests, which leads to despair and easily falls into depression. We have people in our organization who have experienced this. The way to resolve such depression is not to pursue academic “pig butt” certificates under capitalism but to pursue revolution and ideological liberation. Having others, especially the broad proletariat, in mind prevents falling into this pathological state.
Fenghuo Flame:
I’m busy now, but I will post to answer your question when I have time.
Daydayup:
Okay, I will listen carefully.
Hubertus:
Physiological activity is also influenced and controlled by social movements. For example, soldiers can endure pain with fearless spirit, while spoiled infants complain at the slightest discomfort (not to say ignoring biological laws and physiological limits). Also, mental illnesses (not referring to congenital neurological diseases like epilepsy) such as depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, etc., are caused by social practice, experience, and thoughts, and naturally require ideological struggle to resolve.
Currently, psychiatric drugs in capitalist society are expensive and have many side effects, including dizziness, headache, memory loss, insomnia, nausea, weight gain, etc. These cannot be fixed just by forgetting.
If trauma could be healed just by forgetting, the cause of pain would still exist, and one would continue to oppress oneself or others, bringing continued suffering.
For example, like being stabbed, ignoring the wound or reality won’t change the facts. Only through struggle to remove the cause of pain, treat the wound, and resolve inner conflicts can the injury heal gradually.
Considering only physiological causes, depression is caused by low serotonin levels, but socially, there are many other reasons, such as family violence, gender oppression, academic pressure, etc. Solving only physiological issues is superficial (and likely unfixable under capitalist medical systems). To truly address mental health, one must eliminate harmful ideas like victim-blaming and slave mentality, understand the nature of oppression, and realize how to build an equal world through struggle, establishing a correct worldview, and fundamentally solving mental problems.
Annah:
Bourgeois medicine is helpless against mental illnesses; it only prescribes so-called psychiatric drugs to scam money, unable to cure the mental illnesses caused by capitalist systems.
An Wenliao:
The reason mental illnesses are called mental illnesses actually proves that even the bourgeoisie understands that these symptoms are not strongly related to physiology. These bourgeois experts and doctors attribute phenomena they can’t understand or explain physiologically to mental illnesses. This is different from biological neurological diseases, which clearly show structural nerve damage. Common mental illnesses like bipolar disorder, depression, or schizophrenia, or phenomena like dissociation, are difficult to confirm purely physiologically. That’s why they created the concept of mental illness, handled by psychology, which is a form of idealist theory in bourgeois thought.
During the Cultural Revolution (1966), famous cultural rebel Yao Wenyuan (anonymous pseudonym) published an article titled “Is This the Scientific Method and Correct Direction of Psychological Research? Asking Psychologists a Question” in Shanghai’s psychology journal, exposing the bourgeois intellectuals’ methods of psychological research, criticizing methods detached from society, such as dividing children into groups and asking about favorite colors to judge personality, which are then fabricated into data reports. These methods, detached from social and class analysis, are bourgeois. Later, the journal was shut down for ten years after the Cultural Revolution, and after 1976, bourgeois intellectuals reappeared, slandering Marxist historical materialism as unscientific and politically biased. Today, bourgeois experts and doctors still use these methods and psychology to judge thoughts, classify personalities, and diagnose bizarre mental illnesses. But in reality, these patients’ issues are almost always rooted in ideological problems, not physiological factors. If mental illness were purely physiological and needed drugs, why do the most common diagnostic method involve filling out psychological questionnaires instead of direct physical examinations or pulse checks? You can see the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” for more understanding. I can also give a very practical example today: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate with us, accusing us of subjectivism and personality cult. After continuous criticism, he suddenly seemed “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, even calling himself a clown, with bizarre speech—does this indicate some mental illness? According to bourgeois psychological standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing himself to be a clown, and automatically adopting the clown image to “make everyone laugh.” According to this view, he should be given medication. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to his petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to engage in proper debate, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, and it can be treated through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
Luanma:
It depends on specific circumstances.
First, clear up some definitions: neurosis, mental illness, and “psychological disorders” are often confused, but scientifically they are different.
Neurosis relates to nervous system lesions, not necessarily involving brain problems but sometimes affecting mental state, like epilepsy. These don’t necessarily relate to thoughts; they are like losing consciousness during sleep, just interrupting thinking.
Mental illness must involve the brain because the brain is the organ of thought. If the brain has issues, it affects thinking. Unlike neurosis, which can be caused by unrelated factors like genetics or infection, mental illness is caused by errors in thought—errors so significant they impact matter, causing brain lesions.
For example, the article “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought” mentions that mental patients are often triggered by huge stimuli, which are mainly due to individualist, idealist, and metaphysical thoughts that heavily impact the brain, causing lesions that influence behavior. For instance, someone with mental illness might tear a quilt in a frenzy but only tear others’ quilts, reflecting selfish individualist thoughts. Solving the ideological problem stops these thoughts from attacking the brain, preventing deterioration and stabilizing the condition. In rare cases, mental issues can be resolved completely after ideological correction.
As for “psychological disorders,” they are entirely a bourgeois creation. Diseases are medical issues, and medical treatment addresses physiological symptoms, not purely mental problems. If mental issues could be fixed with medicine, why do diagnoses rely on questionnaires instead of physical checks?
You can understand this by reading “Treating Mental Illness with Mao Zedong Thought.” I can also give a practical example: look at Xifeng, who suddenly started a debate, accused us of subjectivism and personality cult, and after criticism, appeared “mentally ill,” acting like a clown, speaking sarcastically, claiming to be a clown with bizarre speech—does this indicate mental illness? According to bourgeois standards, perhaps he experienced personality split after some stimulus, believing he’s a clown, and adopted that role to “make everyone laugh.” He should be medicated. But in fact, it’s because Xifeng clings to petty bourgeois shortcomings, refuses to debate properly, and after sharp criticism, refuses to admit fault, becoming agitated and “suddenly ill.” This can only be explained by the laws of ideological struggle, not bourgeois psychology. That’s why we say mental illness is mainly a mental disease, treatable through ideological struggle.
2025.1.21
Daydayup:
Good evening everyone. I still find it incredible after reading that article about Mao Zedong Thought treating mental illness.
But I previously read that long-term mental illness damages the brain itself.
If mental fullness can truly improve the brain, it’s like magic.
Swamp Soldier:
Why not?
Like depression, which also has somatic symptoms, these symptoms can be cured along with depression.
Higher motor control over lower motor, many physiological problems caused by mental illness should also be resolved with recovery. I think other medical professionals can explain specifically.
Just now I have time, so I want to share some thoughts on mental illness that I didn’t have time to say yesterday early morning:
The bourgeois stuff, whether drugs or therapies, can’t solve mental illness. They just see those oppressed by capitalism as broken parts, labor force, and unstable factors that might threaten rule. Their only goal is “repair,” erasing these people’s will or numbing them to forget pain, making these parts conform to capitalist production order. I once watched a film criticizing realism from the 70s, where a girl with depression was repeatedly taken to a mental hospital by her parents, who didn’t care about her actual illness but just labeled her. Their treatment was brutal—electric shocks to numb emotions and memory, similar to what your friend experienced with medication. Numbed, forgetting pain, makes people obedient and compliant, fixing the “broken parts.” This isn’t specific to Britain; I read about similar Nazi practices a few years ago. They don’t care about the patient, only use mental hospitals as tools of oppression. During the Soviet era, many dissidents were detained in psychiatric hospitals. Now Nazis do the same—many children, even without illness, are detained just for resisting parental or Confucian orders, or through electric therapies like Yang Yongxin’s.
Today, many psychological treatments avoid such blatant methods, but the essence remains the same.
For example, many psychological consultations involve talking, sharing, but behind these are subjective idealism, making patients numb, forget difficulties, or pursue “self-discovery,” “self-improvement,” or changing perspectives.
Most typical are the psychological courses and counselors in middle schools, who act more like pastors. For example, I once took such a course where the counselor said to handle “pressure” and depression by changing thoughts, relaxing, or scheduling therapy.
But social existence determines social consciousness. As long as capitalism persists, these sources of suffering remain. No matter how much one relaxes or confides, the problem won’t change. I once attended such a psychological session, and it was ridiculous—they promised confidentiality, except for violations of Nazi laws. This shows how absurd these psychological sessions and courses are. This idealist internal review only encourages escapism. True resolution depends on practice. No matter how good the therapy or medication, or how much one confides, the core issue remains: if the world doesn’t change, the causes of depression and madness persist.
That’s why we say Marxism can cure mental illness because it is fundamentally revolutionary and practical. It doesn’t numb people into despair under capitalism; it analyzes the essence of the current situation and provides a direction for practice.
. You have committed several logical errors in this paragraph. First, no one has put themselves in the position of this “tyrant”; even if the words are somewhat fierce, it is just calling you “directly insulting the person you want to insult.” Has anyone put themselves in that position? I’m afraid someone else has. You are just exposing your own purpose now. Secondly, you forwarded a message from a psychological research lab and posted an xmpp link. I think you are not very clear about whose representative you are declaring yourself to be. You might say we have some bias against that place, but unfortunately, your behavior of forwarding this bunch of strange theories cannot change anyone’s impression of the Marxist-Leninist group on xmpp. Lastly, regarding whether the theory is correct, we certainly agree that it depends on how much it reflects objective laws. However, the set of theories you forwarded only has arguments without discussion; talking boastfully without purpose—what kind of empty talk is this? Moreover, when we discuss the psychology of a certain class or individual, it is to solve problems, not just to explain issues with certain effects. From the perspective of human nature theory, it is impossible to have any correct theory.