How can freedom of speech not exist under class prerequisites?

[Marks_King]

Here, I mainly address the four points raised by Comrade Fenghuo, discussing whether I am truly avoiding or just pretending to avoid. Let’s see if I am genuinely avoiding or just pretending, and whether some hats can be placed on my head.

Point 1, claiming that I agree with and uphold male chauvinist pornographic ideas. Which eye did you see me agree with and uphold? I repeatedly emphasize that I admit I have serious pornographic thoughts, and there are remnants of male chauvinist ideas in my mind. What I do not agree with is the statement that I have serious male chauvinist ideas; I have explained many times that this is like the Russian emancipation of serfs in 1861—before 1861, serfdom was a systemic major problem, and after that, although it still existed and remnants remained, it was no longer systemic. This “reform” point, for me, was when I came into contact with communism; my old ideas had not been completely cleared out, but I can’t say they were entirely gone. I not only support the women’s liberation movement but have also made minor contributions, which I won’t elaborate on. Even calling it “minor” feels like flattery, but I speak honestly. Also, I deleted “Azure Lane” and pornographic software long ago; this is action. You ask me to clear out pornographic thoughts, and I have already explained my development process regarding pornographic ideas. Moreover, the so-called hats of male chauvinist ideas and pornographic thoughts are honestly disclosed and handed over to comrades. Some comrades say that personal history disclosure is necessary, so I want to ask, can I hide some parts of my history that are unfavorable to myself? Before writing the second article, I saw someone analyze themselves, admitting to having had wrong thoughts of patronizing prostitutes and playing “Azure Lane” porn games. I could have hidden this, but I chose to honestly disclose it. Not only do you think it is justified, but you also do not need materialist dialectics to analyze me.

Point 2, accusing me of showing off “capital” with a bourgeois individualist mentality and looking down on the proletariat. This is completely unfounded and a baseless accusation. I have repeatedly emphasized that I do not intend to flaunt my seniority; it was only when comrades asked about my specific situation of rebellion that I mentioned it. I also truthfully said that I was aware of the need for labor reform since I was 14 years old—does that have any problem? It was also because you questioned my personal history that I disclosed it. I want to ask Comrade Fenghuo, did I say that I am proud of attending “the top schools in Chongqing”? I said that I took the risk of being punished or even expelled from “top schools in Chongqing” to rebel, to illustrate that I sacrificed my personal interests at my age to do so. When I said that I mocked “people with unfulfilled lives,” I did not mock anyone. My original words were: “Comrades might be criticizing me out of past criticism, feeling upset, or dissatisfaction with life or work,” which was not meant to be mocking. It was honest. As for flaunting seniority, the person questioning me, “Have you ever written articles? Have you ever participated in strikes for wages?” is the real flaunter of seniority.

Point 3, claiming I have a strong revolutionary opportunism mentality and compare myself to Zhu De. This is also a baseless accusation. I have already said below the article about revolutionary predecessors that before reading that article, I only knew Zhu De was criticized during the Cultural Revolution; I did not know the details. I mistakenly thought he was just a revolutionary with flaws. Moreover, what I said is true: Zhu De indeed first joined the Communist Party through Chen Duxiu, then went to France, and finally joined the party in Germany. Have you seen anyone before the Great Revolution opportunistically joining the Chinese Communist Party? When I say I am opportunistic in revolution, I mean during the low tide of international communist movements, in the second-largest imperialist country in the world, I was opportunistic in revolution? I want to ask, why opportunistic in revolution? Why betray my own class? Why, after witnessing four classmates betray the revolution in five years, do I still dedicate myself to the communist cause? Why do I come to this forum to read revolutionary articles? Why have I persisted in promoting communism these five years? Answer me, “Look into my eyes!” If I lacked firm will, I would have long been in the bourgeoisie. Why did I go through labor reform? Honestly share my labor reform experience, or do you think I made it up? Another comrade labeled me with “positivism,” though I don’t understand what positivism means, but it won’t defeat me!

Point 4, accusing me of playing with bourgeois human nature theory. It is you who say I “made up” my experiences and even label me with a hierarchy system. Do I need to counterattack? Moreover, I have already explained my source: “Number One Service Worker” refers to Comrade Yang Daoyuan of the Hubei Revolutionary Rebellion Faction, and Kuai Dafu may have used it too. Regarding the hierarchy label, Comrade Fenghuo also said, “Fabricate a ‘Number One Service Worker’ out of thin air.” Is it true that I fabricated it? Should Comrade Fenghuo apologize for this baseless labeling? Do you not play with bourgeois human nature theory? Otherwise, why would you accuse me without investigation or verification? People should have a conscience.

Casual talk: Comrade Marsh Warrior, I apologize for calling your name directly. If I answered your questions well, good—that’s “positivism.” If I answered poorly, then I just gave you another label. What can I do? Only keep silent. Regarding my remnants of male chauvinist ideas and serious pornographic thoughts, I have repeatedly apologized and expressed remorse. These four points are like comrades criticizing my small “program,” with only the first point being largely justified; the others are all unfounded. And you say I am making baseless accusations? You are the real hat-makers, truly the hat king. Isn’t this exaggeration? Moreover, I just realized that not only what I say on this forum may be subject to review, but it might also be edited by administrators. I haven’t checked before whether my words were taken out of context or altered to fit your needs. I can’t say for sure, since the original is in your hands, and I have no backup. I also kindly suggested before that we could jointly study “On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People.” If that doesn’t work, I can add you on WeChat or QQ, or you can add me, and we can find a time during Qingming or Labor Day to meet face-to-face and reach a consensus. One issue has been unresolved for a week, and I am truly exhausted. Other comrades have said some very unpleasant things. The title “Pride and Prejudice” describes you. If I was wrong, I admit my mistake and will correct it. But some of your nonsensical statements, I have never seen you apologize or correct. When criticizing others, you get very enthusiastic, but you don’t criticize yourselves.

[烽火Flame]

It is hard to understand how you can be so arrogant, insisting here to invert black and white and distort facts. Do you think everyone on the forum is a fool and will forget the various extremist remarks you have written in black and white on your forum posts? And you even dare to openly distort facts, claiming that you have not defended male chauvinist and pornographic ideas. It is hard to understand your logic.
What do you mean by freedom of speech? Do you not have freedom of speech? Aren’t your extremist remarks constantly being published and still being published in their original form? When others criticize your extremist remarks, does that mean there is no freedom of speech? It seems you do not allow critics to enjoy freedom of speech. Also, you are talking nonsense about the forum management “according to their needs, taking quotes out of context, deleting and adding.” You can just look at the revision history yourself. Do you still need to ask people to modify your garbage extremist remarks? If you really need to modify or edit, you should not have been allowed to post such extremist remarks in the first place.
Logically, for someone like you who is shameless, inverts black and white, pesters repeatedly, and repeatedly denies your own wrong ideas, defending male chauvinist and pornographic ideas, defending bourgeois human nature theory, and defending hierarchy, we should have banned you long ago. But we advocate free speech, just to let weeds like you grow, so that the masses can see clearly and eliminate you themselves. That’s why we are. We have always guaranteed your freedom of speech. Which message of yours has not been posted? Which message has been edited? You can tell what has been edited.
All your messages, besides adding covers to your posts for aesthetic reasons, have not been edited by anyone.
What else can you say about asking everyone for QQ, WeChat, or similar behaviors? Are you a spy or secret agent? Don’t you know these things are real-name verified, and you still want to meet offline, making people suspicious whether you are stupid or malicious.

[Hughes]

@Marks_King

Before writing the second article, I saw someone analyze themselves, saying they had the wrong idea of prostitution, playing the pornographic game “Azur Lane”. I could completely hide it, but I still honestly confessed. Not only do you think it is justified, but you also do not need to analyze me with materialist dialectics.

You seem to think that “hiding” is something you can do, and that “confessing” is like sacrificing something yourself. It is precisely through materialist dialectics and the principles and discipline of communism on the forum that you are pointed out for having pornographic thoughts. Isn’t it “natural” for a communist to confess their mistakes? It is evident that Mark the Signer does not see himself according to the requirements of a communist, and even turns around to attack others by labeling them with “two hats”. Pointing out errors in thought has never been about labeling or knocking people down; only revisionists and petty bourgeoisie will attack revolutionaries like that. Their little skit “Hat Factory” is just a naked smear. Everyone has long since pointed out that ideological struggle is a long, complex process, and it cannot be achieved overnight or automatically disappear. Not playing this game and avoiding pornographic software are just manifestations, but errors in the realm of thought will not disappear directly. If they really disappeared directly, Mark the Signer would not have initially said that he only liked “cute Raphie” and did not have pornographic thoughts.

[typhoon]

@Marks_King

Moreover, what I said is the truth. Zhu De indeed first sought out Chen Duxiu to join the party, then went to France, and finally joined the party in Germany. Have any comrades seen someone who joined the Chinese Communist Party before the Great Revolution just for opportunism?

Are you completely ignorant of history? Zhang Guotao was still a delegate of the First Congress, and in the end, he also defected and joined the Kuomintang. Chen Gongbo and Zhou Fohai were also delegates of the First Congress, and they also came to seek revolution, but ended up acting as Japanese traitors.

[cedar]

You say that you admit to having male chauvinist ideas, but you completely deny your specific criticisms of everyone, always thinking that everyone is labeling you, saying things like “you’re speaking too badly of me,” and not humbly accepting others’ criticisms at all. Someone who truly wants to reform themselves and serve the people, why would they refuse to admit their mistakes when they occur, and instead keep insisting that others’ criticisms are “too over the top”? Moreover, all of this is rooted in the influence of severe pornographic ideas in the past, and some even make outrageous claims like “only looking at shoulders” to defend their pornographic thoughts. What reason is there to claim support for women’s liberation and to correct one’s own mistakes? Your stance supporting women’s liberation is too hypocritical and arrogant, unwilling to genuinely reflect on your own shortcomings. Furthermore, in this debate with everyone, everyone is arguing with reason and evidence, and your claims of “dishing out labels” and “lack of freedom of speech” are completely baseless. It’s just that you feel uncomfortable because it doesn’t align with your self-glorification and self-praise for personal interests. If you really are a revolutionary as you boast, why not take a good look at your own flaws, like in the “Guidelines for Ideological Struggle,” insisting on self-criticism and following the correct path of ideological reform? What we see is only someone constantly praising themselves, claiming to be a revolutionary clown. Can such a person even be called a Marxist? Or better not to stain the banner of the vanguard with filth.

[烽火Flame]

还有看到你这样子给自己进行了苍白无力的辩驳，只能让人发笑。其实很多人都不想回你，包括我也不想回，因为你的诡辩实在是太低级了，回了之后还会继续在地上打滚，否认自己说过的话。就比如说你不承认自己认同并维护男权色情思想，但是你曾经发的帖子里就有一堆证据。包括：你说什么自己是单纯的喜欢慵懒的拉菲；说什么分不清楚欣赏女性和色情的界限；还是说原始社会男人天生倾向于选择胸大屁股翘的女性；继而还有上升到系统性否定性别压迫存在的话，用什么川渝地区存在的方言说，证明川渝地区女人很强势，没有性别压迫；继而还用自己的个人经验，大搞身边统计学，说什么我没看到过女性受压迫。你这些不是替男权思想辩护，不是替色情思想辩护是什么东西？你不会以为所有人都失忆了吧？很难理解，你在这里一边说一下这么恶心的暴论，一边不承认自己的男权色情思想，到底是什么逻辑。另一个，你承认你玩过碧蓝航线，跟你维护男权色情思想并不冲突，你承认你玩过，你不还是说分不清欣赏和色情吗？你承认了之后，不是又炮制了一大堆色情合理的谬论吗？还大言不惭的说什么，不用唯物辩证法对你进行分析。唯物辩证法就是不承认事实吗？大家很讲唯物辩证法，首先是唯物主义的否定了你炮制的各种否认男权色情思想的谬论。其次是辩证的抓住了你的主要方面，就是男权色情分子。而没有被你所说的一些自吹自擂的话迷惑，把你当成什么革命者。难道这还不是唯物辩证法吗？第二，你好像完全没有一个正常人的逻辑。如果你不是为了吹嘘，你有必要特意强调自己是就读于全重庆前几的学校吗？你说牺牲了不小的个人利益，意思不就是全重庆前几的学校很值得炫耀吗？你不经任何调查研究，颠倒黑白的指责大家是“因为生活不如意”，才来批评你的错误，难道不是嘲讽吗？你这不就是造谣攻击吗？还能说什么这是老实话，你是不是有点过于无耻？第三，看到你说的这些话，我都觉得太可笑了，不想回答你搁这在学校里玩什么革命cosplay。就不要在这里丢人现眼了。我觉得你的思想水平跟论坛上的大多数人不属于同一个层次。有些话我都不想跟你说，你说什么在学校里革命，又是坚持不懈的搞共产主义，我觉得说出来都要让人笑话。就不说论坛里的人了，你这话放到网上，网友都要嘲讽你了。我只能说，你的这个表现很像过去大家都见到过的，野心又大又非常幼稚的人。第四，谁说你的经历是编的，本来都不想和你争论这个问题。你所谓的什么在学校里革命的话，大家看了也就笑一笑就算了，说白了就是把一些鸡毛蒜皮的事情拿革命的词汇装点上，搞得很厉害，其实非常的幼稚可笑。至于你说什么坐下来和学校的官僚领导谈判这件事情，你自己也承认存疑，那这不是编造是什么？你是和什么级别的官僚领导谈判了？你是以什么身份，什么资格去谈判的呢？你在运动中占据什么地位呢？你是如何领导这个运动的呢？还有你扯的那个什么一号勤务员，我并没有说你这个是“胡编乱造”的，请你不要在这里血口喷人，凭空污蔑。我只是说你这个词很明显的体现了你的资产阶级法权思想，等级制思想。至于你说是什么钢二司也好，还是蒯大富也好，那都无所谓。不管是谁说的，并不能改变你使用这个词的语境下，体现了你的等级制思想。而且本身湖北造反派之间的派仗就很厉害，而清华的蒯大富就是一个彻底的无政府主义分子。很难理解你这种不学无术，读一点文革史的书，就好像觉得自己已经上通天文、下晓地理一样的心态。真是越无知的人越自大。

[螺丝钉]

@Marks_King

Are you claiming I am opportunistic revolutionary? That I am engaging in opportunistic revolution in the second-largest imperialist country in the world during a downturn in the international communist movement? I would like to ask, why opportunistic revolution? Why betray my own class? After witnessing four classmates betray the revolution in five years, why do I still dedicate myself to the communist cause? Why do I come to this forum to read revolutionary articles? Why have I persisted in promoting communism all these five years? Answer me, “Look into my eyes!”

1. Are you playing the poor joke of a game streamer here? Is your attitude too frivolous? What do you think this place is?
2. What is the relationship between the downturn of the international communist movement, the rise of Zhongxiu (China’s revisionist faction) to the second-largest imperialist country, and your opportunistic revolution? Is it possible that when the international communist movement is in decline and Zhongxiu becomes imperialist, those who want to become big stars in the left circle, seek personal fame and fortune through opportunistic revolution, and harbor ambitions, simply do not exist? What kind of logic is this?
3. Where have you betrayed your class? You are still in school now, studying in the bourgeoisie’s education system, preparing to take university entrance exams to find a job that involves less work and more pay, still parasitizing your parents, aren’t you? You say you used to work as a waiter, does that prove you betrayed your class? Moreover, through part-time work, your thoughts do not seem to have changed; in your exchanges with everyone, bourgeois human nature theory and bourgeois views on love are everywhere.
4. Witnessing four classmates “betray the revolution” in five years? The threshold for participating in the revolution is too low for you. I doubt whether you have ever read “The Road to Future Revolution in China.”

[烽火Flame]

It seems that King of Symbols is very difficult to understand, and why everyone on the forum hates you so much. I think it’s because you are too individualistic, believing that it is wrong for your personal interests to be harmed, as if the Earth should revolve around you, and treating gains and losses of your personal interests as the standard for judging right and wrong, so you simply cannot understand this matter. Everyone on the forum has experienced many struggles, has rich experience, and has undergone long-term systematic Marxist study. They have also fought against many opportunists and are well aware of what those self-promoting people are about. Therefore, in everyone’s eyes, what you did is very easy to understand. Yet you insist on boasting yourself as some kind of revolutionary, rather than humbly considering yourself as someone with many wrong ideas that need transformation. When others don’t follow your hype, you get impatient, even to the point of spreading rumors, slandering, and attacking others. How can such behavior avoid provoking everyone’s dislike? You say you studied at one of the top schools in Chongqing? But I have already told you clearly that there are many graduates from universities ranked among the top in the country and even the world, not to mention your so-called high school. As for participating in movements at school, many people have done so. Who doesn’t know what can be achieved under the current social environment? What kind of qualities can students reach? To put it simply, you come to the forum just to show off, to be praised, and then to be titled as a revolutionary. But this is not a virtual country, nor a cosplay place. Please don’t come here with such childish mentality. You talk about revolution every day, but do you really understand what revolution is? Please don’t keep pretending your mouth is a revolution. Otherwise, you’ll only face everyone’s dislike and ruthless sarcasm here.

[typhoon]

To be honest, your remarks are really low-level. A bunch of inexplicable, disconnected analogies. Comparing male chauvinist pornographic ideas with the 1861 serfdom reform, as if saying that your reactionary thoughts after encountering communism have become residual, is an overly self-flattering and shameless way of speaking. Marx and Engels made tremendous efforts to become communists (before that, they were still democrats), engaging with workers, overcoming old ideas. But for you, it’s as if you just became better after encountering communism. You make yourself seem more impressive than Marx and Engels.

And using so-called honesty to prove yourself good is also a sign of a dead end; you can’t find anything reasonable about yourself. Saying you are right because you “spoke the truth,” but everyone judges you based on your truth, right? You say you spoke the truth, and we judge this truth as evidence of your serious male chauvinist and pornographic thoughts. Is there a problem with that? Or do you want to say that your various outrageous statements, such as liking the lazy Lafite theory or the primitive man’s theory of having sex with women with big breasts, do not reflect your complete ignorance of women’s liberation theories and do not show your serious pornographic thoughts?

Moreover, your claim that you suddenly become better after encountering communism suggests that the primary aspect of your ideological shift is due to this contact, implying that such a qualitative change does not require any quantitative preparation. Before encountering communism, you lived a reactionary parasitic life. How can you suddenly become better just after contact? It’s always said that encountering communism is the beginning of the struggle; how you transform afterward depends on personal practice. Yet, your claim that you suddenly improved even contradicts philosophical principles.

You say, “your personal interests at this age,” and you can say such things with a high sense of self-importance, as if you are entitled to enjoy these privileges. Let me ask, how many students your age in China can enjoy such good resources, with parents giving so much money for you to attend a “top high school in Chongqing”? Moreover, how many students have not even gone to high school and went to work at 16? You don’t need to boast about personal effort; everyone knows that to attend a good school, you rely on your parents’ investment. I myself attended a “top-ranked high school,” which was only possible because of my parents’ exploitation of surplus value. This is very clear. Frankly, these privileges that come from exploiting the people should not be enjoyed at all; to call giving them up a sacrifice is simply shameless (and you haven’t even given them up, just risking giving them up). If you claim to consciously work to transform yourself through labor, and you still say such things, it only shows that you are not aiming for proletarian consciousness in your transformation, but rather seeking to show off, acting as if you are a conductor trying to make a splash. Otherwise, you would have already recognized the gap between yourself and the working class.

A clerk is just a clerk. You insist on adding a number one and ranking seats. Will there be a second, third, or fourth? Isn’t this hierarchical system based on bourgeois legal rights? Just because someone used it before, does that mean we shouldn’t oppose it now? And your opposition is to the class content behind this title, not just to the person using it. You don’t need to act as if opposing “xx” is equivalent to opposing revolutionaries.

[前进Advance]

You are simply arrogantly overconfident to the extreme, thinking that you have already deleted the game and have been a “revolutionary student” for so many years, believing you no longer have ideological issues, or only residual ones. But then, how do you repeatedly publish reactionary fallacies, attack women’s liberation and even indulge in lust? How do you explain your repeated flaunting of your bourgeois family background, appearance, and high school?

[烽火Flame]

Although the Mark King repeatedly and repeatedly defends his reactionary stance, defends bourgeois male chauvinist and pornographic ideas, sophistically argues and makes false accusations, attempts to speculate on everyone’s intentions using bourgeois human nature theories, and slanders and attacks everyone, comrades have all maintained the utmost restraint in debating with him. At the same time, the forum has also given him full freedom of speech and the opportunity to debate freely with him.
But today, this shameless scoundrel has begun to spread pseudo-scientific rumors about the so-called “Lenin’s Will,” attacking Krupskaya for colluding with Trotsky against Stalin and the Central Committee, and even slandering the great leader Lenin himself as having a mistress.
This shameless act of slander and anti-communism is intolerable according to the forum rules, so it has been decided to immediately mute him to observe the effects.

[火炭]

My original words are “Comrades may have criticized me because they were upset from being criticized before, or because of dissatisfaction in life or work,” and their purpose is not pure.

Claiming to be a “Communist,” but using bourgeois individualist viewpoints to speculate about the criticisms and self-criticisms among comrades. I suspect you have never read the “Guide to Ideological Struggle” or seen the criticisms and self-criticisms among comrades on the forum. Here you say “the characteristic of a person is to hold grudges after being oppressed, and to satisfy their ‘anger’ by attacking (oppressing) others,” which is exactly the same logic as what you mentioned in your self-introduction (“the oppressed, because they are oppressed, will develop the idea of oppressing others”). Saying that comrades develop the idea of oppressing others because of “dissatisfaction with work” (being criticized before… and criticizing me), enough! If you are truly a Communist, please discard this bourgeois individualist mindset and communicate with everyone!