If I give up everything to join you in pursuing communism, what will I get?

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As someone who has long been immersed in the pleasures produced by capitalism, from the perspective of long-term individualism, I am not yet fully psychologically prepared to join your base’s sanctuary system. I have the following concerns.

First, the future of the individual and the revolution. Regarding the individual’s future: if I can continue within the capitalist education system, there is hope to become a lackey for big capitalists, finding a job with a salary significantly higher than that of the proletariat, and with some connections and a small amount of capital, there is hope to start a business to exploit others. Although I lack confidence, compared to joining you and handing over everything with the risk of being caught by revisionists, this obviously aligns better with our petite bourgeois individualistic psychology and inertia.

Regarding the revolution’s future: you say that with the development of imperialist contradictions, a world war will break out, which will be our opportunity to seize power. But what if some accidental events hinder this process? What if the development is very slow? What if I die without seeing victory? Wouldn’t I have given up a lot of opportunities to acquire capital and enjoy life under the current circumstances? Although I say I am willing to dedicate myself to the ideal, as you stated in your programmatic documents, when it comes to interests, I still have to weigh them.

Second, games and music. I have been playing video games since I can remember. The Plants vs. Zombies you criticize was the first game that deeply influenced me (I admit most of your criticisms are valid). If after joining you, you advocate for the outright destruction of all video games, I can hardly accept that. We also had chess, Go, football, basketball, and other competitive sports before. If you say that any gameplay involves promoting capitalist ideas and want to cancel all video games and competitive activities, I might firmly become counter-revolutionary.

Take my current favorite game, Brawl Stars, for example. I like the football mode the most. I enjoy cooperating with teammates to score goals, the certain degree of combat, the process of attacking and being attacked, without an extreme individualistic mentality of stepping on others. Ranking systems contradict my original intention of playing games. Also, my previously favorite Minecraft, if liking mining, building, exploring the world, and researching redstone is promoting capitalist ideology, I really cannot understand. Moreover, I believe a game must first be fun to survive, and only then can it promote capitalist ideas. Shouldn’t you separate gameplay from capitalist ideology in games (starting with ranking systems)? As long as the core gameplay is retained, and after our victory, we will definitely release most paid content for free, I believe most people will still support you.

This is about games. Regarding music, I like listening to Hatsune Miku’s songs. I read your critique of Xu Song (indeed, he is a sellout). Since I don’t know all pop singers and dislike their songs and almost all lyrics (mostly vulgar or about love or melancholy), although art has class nature, art forms should not, right? For example, you criticize Xu Song and also criticize Luo Tianyi, the virtual singer, as a lackey promoting capitalist ideas. I cannot agree (referring to criticizing Luo Tianyi and other virtual singers, saying Xu Song can go to hell). Also, while browsing Bilibili, I saw someone using Luo Tianyi to make a song commemorating Lei Feng while hinting at nostalgia for Chairman Mao (song title: “Death Farewell - Lei Feng”), which has been re-uploaded several times. Also, a video I shared to QQ Space disappeared (also commemorating the previous era). Isn’t this a form of cyber guerrilla warfare, reflecting the contradiction and struggle between Marxist thought and petite bourgeois thought? And we cannot say some melodies are revolutionary and others counter-revolutionary, right? Only lyrics can promote capitalist or socialist ideas. I like listening to Hatsune Miku’s songs not because I endorse the ideas they promote (I don’t understand Japanese), but because I like the melody and how well her voice fits the melody, like a new musical instrument. This might also be why I like listening to pure instrumental music or foreign songs I don’t understand, because I dislike the ideas promoted by popular Chinese songs. So we can change the lyrics carrying backward ideas into lyrics promoting our Marxist ideas without changing the melody. If our revised lyrics have better rhythm, others might prefer the Marxist version. This should also become a method for us to struggle against capitalist ideas.

Third, family and friends. Among everyone I know, no one would fully support me joining you and giving up the “bright future” of going to university. First, if I don’t believe in religion, it will hurt my mother’s heart. She has always been proud that I believe because she has seen many people stop believing after going to university, and she takes this as an achievement. Then, giving up university will make everyone I know misunderstand me and possibly ridicule me. I thought about pretending to be depressed to take a year off school to join you, but I still cannot explain it to my parents. Also, if I join you and get killed by revisionists, I will definitely be smeared and slandered, and it might take many years to clear my name. Maybe my parents will have died by then, carrying the regret of having a bandit son buried in the grave.

Fourth, the need to study. I hope to learn a lot of knowledge at university, but so far, I have only been playing games and watching videos, without meaningful interpersonal communication, mostly for interests. I hope that if I join you, besides studying Marxism-Leninism-Maoism together, comrades can help me learn writing, drawing, programming, musical instruments, or some skills (preferably useful for the revolution). You also mentioned eating, living, and working with workers. You won’t sell me to a sweatshop, right? (doge) Perhaps due to petite bourgeois laziness, I also dislike becoming a machine on an assembly line engaged in labor alienated by capital.

Fifth, other questions. If I hand over my computer, phone, and all money to you, can you guarantee the true implementation of the sanctuary system? Not that my computer is played by a group of people (referring to the existence of a privileged class), and all my stuff is on this phone (I don’t want to hand over my personal phone or computer). If I hand over my phone, how can I communicate and trade normally? Can you ensure the purity of the revolutionary team? What if someone betrays the revolution and runs away with the funds? Wouldn’t that be like me being tricked into a pyramid scheme?

Also, I used to masturbate frequently, don’t you? How do you solve sexual issues?

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This long paragraph makes people only want to respond with one question: if you don’t want to be called a red traitor, and you don’t want to abandon the benefits of gaming and masturbation, then why are you stirring up a revolution?

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This lengthy passage roughly means that I can follow the path of communism and carry out a communist revolution, but I still cannot give up the wines and champagnes filled with bourgeois atmosphere that I was originally obsessed with, because they are my spiritual food and source. Wanting both is impossible; there is no choice without paying a price. If you want independence, you must sacrifice your laziness; if you want freedom, you must sacrifice your selfishness. This is reality: after gaining certain things, you will lose others.

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To break exploitation and oppression

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It seems you lack class consciousness. Which class do you belong to? Whose interests are you pursuing? Which class’s liberation are you seeking? Exploitation and oppression are not abstract concepts. During the period of proletarian dictatorship, are you going to oppose it simply because the proletariat rules over the bourgeoisie?
Ultimately, your problem is essentially viewing the proletarian revolution from the perspective of the bourgeoisie, so you think that people shouldn’t achieve success and fame, enjoy pleasures, and still engage in revolution.

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I should be a faction within the petty bourgeoisie, and I think I have described this carefully before; the dictatorship of the proletariat is not exploitation, after all; after the change in production relations, I believe many people will create artistic works about communism. Currently, much of the propaganda and reactionary ideas built on capitalist production relations should be criticized and negated, but there should be some non-reactionary elements that can be preserved.

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Setting aside everything else, your title fully reflects your individualism and opportunistic reactionary thinking. Participating in the revolution has never been about what benefits you can gain, but about what you can do for the people. If you participate in the revolution to gain fame, you will become a bourgeois within the party like Liu Shaoqi, and when the enemy tempts you, you will definitely betray. Communists never consider their own interests when conducting a revolution; otherwise, why would Marx and Engels, one a lawyer and the other a factory owner, engage in revolution? Communism is the most noble ideal since the emergence of humanity. At most, you are a petty bourgeois leftist, and you should be asking how to rid yourself of petty bourgeois thoughts, not what benefits communism can bring you. I do not see that you hope to change; I only see that you treat communism as a tool to gain benefits. If you cannot rid yourself of individualism, egoism, and opportunism, then don’t come here, play your second game, listen to your Hatsune Miku, be a lapdog for revisionism and entertain yourself to death, or one day be denounced by revolutionaries as a counter-revolutionary.

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I know you are petit bourgeois, and the important issues are the last two questions. If you seek the interests and liberation of the petty bourgeoisie, you might be disappointed. The petty bourgeoisie seems to have two paths, but in reality, there is only one way to go: in capitalist society, the petty bourgeoisie is constantly going bankrupt; either exploit others to become the bourgeoisie (which is almost impossible), or be exploited into the proletariat. So the question is whether you seek the interests of the bourgeoisie or the proletariat. Moreover, from the bourgeois perspective, the dictatorship of the proletariat turning their private property into public property is considered exploitation.

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Isn’t the reason I came here to have you transform my thoughts? Do you really not welcome me? If I didn’t like your critical atmosphere, would I bother to write so much heartfelt words for you to see?

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Using intimidation like this cannot unite the petty bourgeoisie. Since the other party is still willing to have a good discussion, some patience and ideological work should be done.

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Indeed, have all the peasant uprisings since ancient times been about gaining something? It’s just about survival.

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Your attitude is very bad. What do you mean by “let you reform my thoughts”? Ideological reform should be a conscious act; no one is begging you to carry out a revolution. If you say you want to “resolutely oppose counter-revolution,” should people not be allowed to speak more fiercely to you?

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Isn’t my criticism of you telling you how to improve? Your primary task now is to abandon opportunistic and egoistic thoughts, stop playing reactionary games, stop listening to reactionary songs, and stop serving reactionary people. If you say so, it only shows that you lack subjective initiative; expecting everything to be handed to you and not wanting to reform yourself. Instead, you use extremely hostile tones to question us, and we will criticize and struggle against you. Is there any problem with that?

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Repost a floor for yourself; it’s hard to discuss when it’s sandwiched inside a building, and he hasn’t replied to this either.

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My temper is a bit irritable, which is not right, but the things this person提出的东西 such as resolutely反革命 if not淫乐, whether to干革命 depends on the reactionary思想 of回报, must be seriously批斗.

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Okay. I originally wanted to do it this way, so I deleted a layer, but I didn’t do it well.

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Well, it seems that only by abandoning these can one truly become a Communist.

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Not only these, you also need to think about what around you is essentially promoting bourgeois reactionary ideas, and then discard them all. Socialism and communism can also have comics, but they must definitely promote the idea that women can hold up half the sky, the class historical view, rather than objectifying women, promoting pornography, individual heroism, or ignoring the proletariat.

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Well, then how should you, as communists, answer the third, fourth, and fifth questions?

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In fact, Wood Lee is not thinking about revolution now, but about lying comfortably into socialism without much effort while preserving personal pleasures.

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