This is the true ability of the remaining rats in the “Revolution” Society, taking advantage of public discussions to distort and spout nonsense without restraint. I don’t know what kind of activities they are engaged in daily that they have so much free time to secretly target and attack themselves, slandering and talking nonsense everywhere.
This “revolutionary” repeatedly uses hollow words like “revolution” to replace discussions on specific issues, loudly claiming what is “most important, is it love and affection between children and lovers? Isn’t it revolution?” It seems truly righteous and imposing. However, behind this hollow slogan-shouting behavior is an extreme disregard for women’s liberation and a fundamental indifference to others’ communication content, revealing the essence of the leftist circle.
My first reply in the post straightforwardly explained the essence of bourgeois love, and afterwards I clarified to the involved woman that we should view things through class analysis and insist on ideological transformation.
This person, who claims to be “Marxist-Leninist-Maoist” and a “revolutionary” of the “Marxist-Leninist-Maoist” continuation of the “Revolution” Society, loudly proclaims that “not guiding her onto the revolutionary path, not exposing the universal laws and essence of petty bourgeois love,” and even says, “the so-called importance of the hymen is brainwashed by bourgeois pornographic ideas and the bourgeois decadent reactionary immoral system.”
Such words can be spoken. Put on your mask properly and don’t keep revealing such vulgar and anti-intellectual remarks.
Moreover, they are unaware of the details of her relationship with her boyfriend, and they don’t know our criticisms or ideological work on her boyfriend, yet they are eager to slander and defame here. Clearly, they don’t care about facts, only about spreading rumors and slander, trying every means to smear.
This shameful behavior exposes their hypocritical reasoning and deep-seated hatred behind empty words and lofty rhetoric.
When will you clowns truly care about the masses? When will you care about oppressed women? And yet you still dare to speak arrogantly about “revolution.”
Your chosen name sounds nice, with “Marxist-Leninist-Maoist” and “revolution,” but your actions are always so vulgar and dirty, and your words are always so shameless and obscene.
These clowns are too ridiculous; they seize on snippets of words to spread rumors and slander behind the scenes, displaying a grotesque self-aggrandizement that only exposes their reactionary faces completely. It is recommended that the Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Continuing Revolution Society change to its truly deserving name — the Revisionist Rebirth Society — as soon as possible!
The Sex Liberation Society is like this; without sexual liberation, how can it be called a sex liberation society? Ask their own group of promiscuous maniacs and the submissive men in capitalist society whether they would marry women who are not virgins. They only hope that women will shamelessly have sex with them casually.
I want to ask the people from the Sexual Liberation Society, have you taken a screenshot of the original post word for word and posted it in your group, or did you just screenshot this one reply or even a sentence and take it out of context?
These people only take things out of context, grabbing onto discussions about virginity complex to express their bourgeois promiscuous freedom views. Comrade Flame never said anything like “the most important thing is love and affection between children and their lovers.” Hasn’t he been arguing that the relationship between this woman and her boyfriend is petty-bourgeois in nature, pointing out that their relationship is irresponsible for the future, and guiding her to wake up and take the revolutionary path?
Responding to these people with Mao Zedong’s “Man Jiang Hong” is truly most appropriate: “A tiny globe, how many flies bump into the wall. Buzzing, a few sharp cries, a few sobs. Ants praise the big country near the locust tree, how easy is it for a gnat to shake a tree.”
The most disgusting thing is their talk here about “doing ideological work to make her let go of the so-called chastity and virginity,” under the guise of opposing “Confucianism” and “capitalist patriarchy,” promoting water-drinking ideology. This blatantly exposes that those who loudly shout about “guiding” women towards revolution are actually indifferent to women’s feelings, the oppression women suffer, and women’s liberation.
One of the most reactionary and hypocritical aspects of today’s left circle is their hollow slogan of “class contradiction is greater than gender contradiction” when it comes to women’s issues, denying gender contradiction from a centrist stance, abolishing gender contradiction, replacing concrete women’s liberation with abstract class struggle, thus turning “class struggle” itself into meaningless empty words. These leftist groups loudly proclaim “revolution,” but they do not consider women’s own situation at all, nor do they think about what chastity means for women in capitalist society, especially in Chinese capitalist society filled with Confucian ideas. Regarding this, Fenghuo has already spoken very clearly, and this is also evident everywhere in Chinese Confucian society. However, these leftist groups refuse to acknowledge this for their own benefit, not at all willing to persuade women to respect themselves and love themselves, to see through the true nature of these Confucianists, but instead they resort to slander, falsely accusing Fenghuo with baseless charges.
What they are even less willing to admit is that the vast majority of women respect themselves and love themselves; their attitude towards sex is generally serious, or at least they unconsciously recognize that sexual relations are also a social relationship and should not be casually engaged in with others, and if they do, they should bear the corresponding responsibilities. Clara Zetkin once said that Lenin viewed sexual relations as follows:
I believe that this famous water-drinking ideology is completely un-Marxist and anti-social. In sexual life, not only should physiological needs be considered, but also cultural characteristics, whether they are high or low. Engels pointed out in his book “The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State” that developing and refining general sexual impulses into individual love is of great importance. The relationship between the sexes is not just a manifestation of social-economic changes and physiological needs, but those needs, based on physiological examination, have nothing to do with thoughts. To try to trace the changes in these relationships directly back to the social economic base, divorced from the entire ideology, is idealism rather than Marxism. Naturally, desires need to be satisfied. But would normal people in a normal environment climb onto the streets to drink dirty water or from cups contaminated with many people’s lip fats? The most important aspect is the social side. Drinking water is a personal matter. But love involves two people’s lives and produces a third life, a new life. This makes love a social relationship and creates social responsibilities.
Does teaching women to respect themselves and love themselves, to carefully consider sexual matters, have anything in common with Confucian rituals that force women to remain chaste to establish inheritance under private property? These leftist groups’ attitude precisely reveals their frivolous attitude towards sex, showing they are the kind of bourgeois water-drinkers with no morality at all. They themselves probably long ago became anxious about why women haven’t abandoned dignity to satisfy their lust, yet they pretend to be lofty and criticize others, which is truly disgusting!
The clowns of the “Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought” continued their “revolution,” jumping around and spreading wild rumors. They even pretentiously talked about how I “exposed chauvinist ideas during a debate with female comrades,” which is truly laughable. On one hand, they pretend to know me to “add credibility” to their rumors, and on the other hand, they refuse to admit which traitor they are. Dali Stone and your internal conflicts have run away, turning to the dark side and revealing all your inner secrets. What bullshit “red flowers blooming,” switching aliases back and forth, it’s either Mel or Che Qian, thinking they can pretend for how long.
Moreover, next time you post an “article,” practice your Chinese language skills first. You can’t even write something that makes basic logical sense, only a pile of meaningless words and repetitive nonsense. Constantly talking about “you love me, I love you,” ultimately circular reasoning that love is just mutual liking. Especially, you like to insert a bunch of copied schoolboy essays into your incomprehensible drivel, exposing your shameful state of being a traitor who has been逃跑 (fleeing) for so many years without learning anything.
What’s especially funny about this is that, for the two involved parties who are communicating with us and undergoing ideological transformation, they don’t take your bullshit seriously at all. They are just pretending to be righteous. It’s nothing but you traitors wanting pleasure and forming small cliques after fleeing, hating and fearing the true revolutionary organizations to death and trembling in fear. Just to put on a show and embarrass yourselves.
Every time you post these incomprehensible words in that small circle of only single-digit survivors, I wonder how you have so much free time to produce this garbage every day. Because from your words, it’s clear that you don’t even think when typing, not even mentioning my arguments before starting to slander and spread rumors. It’s worth doubting whether you’ve even read what others have said.
If you believe you are correct, when can you come to this forum to debate so that other people can see? Clarify the “truth”?
They said coming to debate will get your account banned 
These people probably have no desire to understand the meaning of these words at all; they are clearly talking about the current situation of the vast majority of women in society but are using the banner of women’s revolution to attack. From the subsequent text, which describes women as becoming “insufficient goods” in the eyes of men, it is clear that this is only discussing the situation under capitalism. These people do not know how to do work with petty bourgeoisie; not only towards women but also towards men. In the long article posted by Honghua Lanman a few days ago, men were already denounced as reactionaries to attack Fenghuo. If everyone in love could hold the revolutionary purpose as Honghua Lanman describes, then there truly would be no more betrayal of love in the world. But people ask, how can this be achieved? What should be done if the existing romantic relationships do not meet these requirements? Those who come to the forum and are troubled by love probably do not need this kind of “revolutionary love” preaching. Before the petty bourgeoisie’s entire worldview changes, they probably will not completely change their views on love. However, unlike the bourgeoisie, the petty bourgeoisie still has a sense of loyalty to love, which is even more evident among women.
Furthermore, no one explicitly mentioned the issue of the membrane, yet Honghua Lanman talks about it extensively, deliberately using vulgar language to cover up the sophistry of masking social relations with physiological structures, and also criticizing Fenghuo for not advising the other party to “let go of chastity and virginity.” Probably Honghua Lanman does not want to admit that the first step in persuading women today is precisely to ask them to let go of this chastity. The essence of the bourgeoisie’s inculcated idea of chastity is not demanding women to only let go of chastity in front of themselves. Originally, women value their bodies, and those who are not promiscuous are like this, which is understandable. However, in capitalist society, men, relying on the patriarchal position, measure women’s chastity by commodity value, leading to the formation of the most despicable concept of “first night rights” trade. Clearly, in capitalist society, women are indeed in a subordinate position; clearly, having sex means women could suffer more contempt from men in the future due to male betrayal; clearly, having sex in this society does not affect men’s status at all, yet women are asked not to value their chastity. Only then can it be called “revolution,” and only then can they be called “revolutionary women.” Probably anyone who does not wish a promiscuous woman to reconcile with them would not think this way. To prevent women from being easily deceived and to prevent men from easily corrupting their own thoughts, it is not women who should put down the prejudiced view of women’s chastity, but rather the gentlemen of Honghua Lanman’s kind.
Does emphasizing chastity mean that women should willingly become men’s sexual slaves? Is the view of the Continuing Revolution Society implying that women do not need to value their chastity? Does it suggest that women can neglect their chastity? Isn’t this paving the way for inferior men to play with women? It is precisely to prevent this rotten society from being dominated by inferior men everywhere that we say women should value their chastity, and before truly falling in love with someone, they should not be easily deceived or toyed with by inferior men full of lies.
Additionally, I would like to ask where Honghua Lanman Pavilion heard from secretly that Fenghuo said “a female comrade” “does not look like a woman”?
Spreading rumors is a basic skill of these little clowns in the left circle. Without clean weapons, they pick up dirty ones.
The traitors of the “Revolution” Society are starting to incite another “revolution,” right? I find you all very amusing. On one hand, you hide your true identities, and on the other, you pretend to be serious here, shouting and yelling as if something is happening. The most shameless thing is your attitude of being in the dark while I am in the light, shouting my ID every day, not daring to show your rat-like heads, brazenly plotting conspiracies.
And then there’s talk of emotional manipulation and division and incitement, which is just hilarious. Isn’t that what Cheng is? That night, I argued with you for five or six hours, trying to use emotional tactics on you? I don’t need to spend this time to deal with these traitors.
And you even say I am dividing and inciting you all. I find you truly shameless to the extreme. Isn’t it Cheng himself who said that after you left, you only contacted them for a short while, and then you had no contact afterward? If you had no contact, how could there be any division or incitement?
Moreover, you repeatedly assured me that you had no contact with the traitors and said that the contact today would definitely be kept secret. It seems Cheng is playing double standards all along, including that set of yours about being constantly insulted and tortured, which has long been criticized by robots. Now you even bring it up to suggest that your group has never had any morality or integrity. And that thing about “Red Flower Blooming,” jumping around constantly, claiming you are Carqian or Mel, and you dare not respond. With your clownish appearance, just go be their lapdog, Cheng.
Another point is that Cheng seems to have amnesia. Recently, I did ask you if you knew who Red Flower Blooming was. You said you didn’t know. But did you forget? The day you first communicated with me, you said that when you just ran away, you and Mel and Marble formed a small group, and then there was supposedly “a fierce struggle,” right? Plus, the images from December the year before, where Red Flower Blooming was speaking and debating with Marble—that’s what you called “a fierce struggle,” isn’t it? Judging from what you said, along with the news about Carqian, this so-called Red Flower Blooming is none other than Carqian or Mel. Yet you act as if I “divided” you all, which is just laughable. Aren’t you all loudly claiming to be upright and honorable? Then stop creating fake accounts, playing your childish games, and still hanging on to the names Red Flower Blooming, Xu Bogu, and that person who claims I said he has no womanly side. Dare you face me directly and debate?
Hiding behind your fake identities, cursing me in the dark, doing whatever you want here according to your own words, spreading rumors, saying half-true and half-false things, twisting your distorted version of the truth and crazily filling it in—that’s your so-called “righteousness and integrity.”
I have organized the past contacts with the Chenghe Association, and Cheng is truly a white-eyed wolf. Cheng once created factions outside the organization and tried to recruit members within the association, slandering the association externally as persecuting him. Considering that he had undergone some degree of ideological transformation in the past and had interacted with everyone for a period, the association reconnected with him at the beginning of this year, hoping he would return to the revolutionary correct path.
However, during the exchange, he said he was “attacked by the group for more than ten days before leaving.” Fenghuo responded to him:
“You know very well what the term ‘attack’ means. Are you an enemy? Try to put yourself in others’ shoes—when your pleasure disappears, do you think about asking others? Do you think others are attacking you? In fact, everyone cares about your situation. I don’t rule out some attitude problems, but mainly it’s good. You should understand that if you think from another’s perspective, you’ll see that caring for others also costs your own time and energy. If you just hate this, then some people don’t need to spend extra time resenting themselves. Also, think about the past interactions with everyone—everyone treated you sincerely, so isn’t it too absurd to say ‘attack’? If I didn’t think we had a good relationship before, why would I spend time looking for you? What do you think? If you harbor resentment, you should clarify with everyone—who is wrong, admit it. Clarifying mistakes is not to blame anyone but to solve problems and improve relationships.”
He then made many accusations against the association, calling it a reactionary organization that cruelly persecuted and suppressed the black line:
“I can give an example. Last March, I was criticized by some people in the group for more than ten days—from March 12 to March 24, from morning to night. After admitting my mistakes, I wrote more than ten self-criticisms. They insisted I was insincere, saying I was playing tricks, and completely denied me. A directly called me a rightist fascist petty bourgeoisie, completely denying me. Later, after I confessed my mistakes, they still pressed me, saying I had opportunistic thoughts and wanted to conspire for revolution. I do not deny the organization’s help, including helping me fight against family issues and流无, but I cannot deny this aspect. I wrote many self-criticisms at that time, which is evident. Regarding my masturbation and lust activities, I had concealed some facts before, which is true and admitted. But later, I followed everyone’s instructions, posted my TikTok records, wrote many self-criticisms, and claimed I was repeating myself, pretending to admit mistakes, and playing tricks. A directly called me a fascist, rightist petty bourgeoisie, and on the last day, someone even said I wanted to conspire for revolution. That night, I accidentally hit my head on the wall and said ‘fuck,’ then B harshly criticized me for doubting the organization.”
Regarding these claims, members of the association provided a comprehensive response, pointing out that Cheng was arbitrarily reversing right and wrong, slandering the association:
"At that time, indeed, there were attitude problems, mainly two people, one is C, the other is A. C directly used his so-called ‘logic argument’ to slander Cheng as a rapist or someone who had committed indecent acts (I don’t remember the exact words); A also forcibly labeled him, not letting Cheng speak properly, and cruelly attacked him. But everyone noticed their problems in time and publicly criticized their errors in the group. We pointed out that we should treat comrades gently and logically, and they admitted to having conducted brutal attacks. So, the organization did not wrong Cheng. Cheng’s claim of being ‘attacked’ is incorrect.
Conversely, Cheng owes everyone. Based on my experience returning to the association last July or August, Cheng was oppressed by old-timers at school and bullied by campus thugs; his family was very reactionary and didn’t care about him or want to help. Under everyone’s help, encouragement, and guidance, Cheng gathered courage, adopted strategies, successfully fought against the bourgeoisie, made the thugs apologize, left school, and returned home, gaining opportunities for employment or college. Without the organization’s help, Cheng would still be bullied in the toilet. After returning home, Cheng did not persist in ideological struggle because he left the oppressive environment of school and fell into a parasitic life, becoming more relaxed and indulging in lust—watching pornography and masturbation more frequently. Cheng also became increasingly dissatisfied with the discipline of ideological struggle. One trigger was a night when we discussed Cheng’s parasitic habits at home; after criticizing his parasitism, Cheng suddenly cursed ‘fuck.’ Everyone (including B) suspected he was upset after criticism and accidentally revealed it, leading to almost daily discussions about Cheng’s issues. If Cheng just accidentally hit his head, that’s understandable, but the fact is that during that period, Cheng was still indulging in lust—watching pornography, masturbating, even using Russian porn software VK, trying to deceive everyone with various means (lying that he couldn’t hold on and needed to sleep, but still watching videos, pretending to go to school and hiding). To solve Cheng’s problems, everyone in the association spent about a week or a month debating with him, sometimes all day long. Do you think everyone is bullying you? I want to say there’s no need for that. It delayed many activities of the association and benefited no one.
Initially, everyone was trying to save Cheng, persuading him to fight lust. I also chatted with Cheng many nights. I remember once discussing with Cheng his feelings after joining the revolutionary organization—he said it made time pass much faster, and months felt like years. Fenghuo also discussed the general strategic direction of the future revolution with Cheng. Cheng himself was not without good moments; he even voluntarily recorded voice messages several times. But later, because Cheng kept causing trouble, resisting ideological struggle, opposing everyone’s advice and criticism, we naturally couldn’t keep praising him. Cheng even admitted he wanted to be a comprador within the organization (not forced by us but confessed by Cheng himself). At that point, isn’t it a betrayal not to criticize him? Even so, Fenghuo still gave Cheng a chance to reform. After issuing a final ultimatum, we continued to let Cheng participate in activities and had opportunities for ideological transformation. I remember Cheng also participated in discussions about D’s ideological issues. But Cheng remained stubborn, so we expelled him because he completely resisted the organization’s discipline.
As for Cheng’s claim that he wrote more than ten self-criticisms sincerely, but they accused him of insincerity and playing tricks, that is also wrong. Cheng’s attitude of admitting mistakes was not sincere; many times he pretended to be confused. I remember vividly that when we discussed Cheng’s ideological issues for half a day, Cheng promised to write a self-reflection. He took a long time to write a journal (summarizing the discussion process). He also lied repeatedly afterward, which is not sincere. The claim of total denial is also wrong; otherwise, I, E, and others wouldn’t have stood up to oppose A and C when they were making trouble over Cheng’s ideological issues. At that time, I was even accused by A of defending Cheng. Also, there was no denial that Cheng had relatively good ideological states at times. Even if Cheng did many disappointing things, when he reconnected with Fenghuo later, Fenghuo still kindly communicated with him. When Cheng contacted F and G, everyone said nothing more. I believe everyone was compassionate enough. So, what Cheng says here—1% is factual, 99% is revisionism. Why talk about these without addressing his own mistakes?
The association has fully responded to Cheng’s grievances, but Cheng ignores these solid facts and suddenly posts a long article accusing the association of brutal persecution:
“My resentment is mainly because I believe the organization, after that crackdown, fell into a leftist condition, especially in the group, where Cheng’s issues were displayed. They wrote formal activity records, and when the format couldn’t be completed, they forced it, even checking the records in the group. This high-pressure environment was a severe blow to those who wrote records. Activity records are voluntary and should not be treated this way. Also, they often used insults and nicknames, like calling H a patriarchal expert, calling me city management, etc. I think this is an insult to people. We must never use such methods with comrades. I believe these phenomena are a blow to active members in the group, including some minor ideological issues early on. When their thoughts become serious, they are considered heinous crimes. You not only suggested expelling these people from the group but also completely negated them after criticism, and when they couldn’t bear your verbal abuse, they left the group and were directly insulted as traitors or subjected to various insults and humiliations, often until late at night, disturbing sleep. Many people have shown this behavior. Whenever someone is expelled, they are inevitably insulted and attacked with derogatory language, like I was called a Confucian dog after fleeing from the Chinese revisionists and changing my name to Daben Dayuan, and many others were fully negated, labeled as traitors, or insulted. This phenomenon is widespread; whenever someone is expelled, they are attacked.”
Cheng’s core point in this paragraph is that the association casually insults members with nicknames and personal attacks, undermining their enthusiasm, and conducts brutal criticism and total negation over minor issues. But the facts are completely different. Take the person Cheng calls the “patriarchal expert” as an example. That person’s thoughts are very reactionary; he is directly serving the bourgeoisie that supports the Chinese revisionists. After joining the association for a while, everyone learned that he wanted to marry and have children. We pointed out that in a capitalist society, marriage is a woman’s grave—“husband is an asset owner, wife is like the proletariat.” Marriage and children trap women in private households, making them slaves to men; his bourgeois status only increases economic dependence and oppression. We repeatedly advised him not to marry or have children and to resign early, but he insisted on doing so. After marriage and having children, his behavior worsened—domestic violence, wife abuse (he violently grabbed his wife’s neck because she opposed his outings, acting like a patriarch). When we found out about the abuse, he even claimed he was “fighting” with his wife. Since his actions have become that of a “patriarch,” calling him the “patriarchal expert” is justified. We also helped him correct his ideological issues, encouraging him to become an “expert criticizing patriarchy.” But he remained unrepentant, even neglecting his daughter’s high fever due to his indifference.
For such a person, is giving him this nickname not meant to urge him to recognize the seriousness of his problems and correct them quickly? Cheng claims this is total negation and verbal attack, and that we should encourage members. But what is encouragement? Ideological struggle is class struggle. Should we leave mistakes unspoken or sugarcoat them? If we care about personal face, then it’s not ideological struggle but childish play. Calling Cheng “city management” is the same—because he indulges in lust, refuses to obey discipline, and has serious parasitic thoughts, so we urge him this way. Mao Zedong once said:
“Tell the Ministry of Health that its work only serves fifteen percent of the national population, and within that fifteen percent, it’s mainly the old masters. The vast majority of farmers cannot get medical care—no doctors, no medicine. The Ministry of Health is not the people’s health ministry, it’s the city health or city old master’s health ministry.”
Should we also say Mao’s critique was too sharp, an insult, a brutal attack, harmful to party members’ enthusiasm? Criticism must be sharp; correction must be overdone! Because the leftist circle lacks genuine class feelings and cannot understand Marxist anger at mistakes, they prefer reconciliation and childish play. This right and wrong confusion and principle-less attitude are very harmful! Moreover, Cheng was bullied in school but did not curse the bullies; his Confucianist parents invited the bullies to dinner, and he dared not oppose his Confucian parents. Only after continuous persuasion and efforts did he dare to fight. With everyone’s help, he got a relaxed environment and avoided school but then parasitized and indulged at home, even biting back at everyone. Truly a white-eyed wolf that only bullies kind-hearted people!
Fenghuo once told Cheng:
“You and all traitors—don’t you dare to debate openly, show evidence, and just run away after a few words? Do you call yourselves revolutionaries? We have evidence. We originally hoped to save you, but you like to defend your backwardness and even betray the revolution. It’s shameful. Why don’t you dare to debate openly? If you’re not guilty, then debate openly. Distorting facts, turning black into white—do you not realize this is typical leftist behavior? It’s as if someone else silenced you before. And you so-called victim alliance, if you don’t repent, you won’t be okay. You slander good people. Don’t you think there’s no scheming among you? Selfish people always scheme. As long as there are interests, it will happen. We always operate openly and honestly, not with schemes. I came to you not caring whether you mingled with those who fled, but to clarify facts and try to save you again. If you spread rumors and slander, that’s shameless. Why not debate openly? We’ve been sincere in advising you. If you want to live your life, we won’t interfere anymore. You are someone who once was in our organization and received much help. At least have some collective honor—don’t join those people, and as a former member, you should protect our reputation, not spread rumors about leftist tendencies. Cheng has been with us so long; he should have some conscience. I hope you remember our efforts to save you, and when you see slander against us, you should oppose it, not support or spread it. Even Qian, who dared not openly attack our line, later dared to do so as his faction grew more radical.”
Fenghuo also said sincerely:
“Revolution requires not only those who can join in good times but also those who persist during downturns. When Li Zicheng was defeated by the Ming and fled to Shangluo, there were only eighteen people! What matters is how the cause advances, not the number of people. Fewer people means we failed to ensure safety and were suppressed, not a wrong line. If the Chinese revisionists hadn’t suppressed us, we would have swept the leftist circle long ago. Their current persecution shows they can distinguish true Marxism from false. Their actions prove they understand more than you do. Other leftist groups disband after being suppressed; now they’re just a small group chatting on Telegram or XMPP, entertaining themselves. Our base, forums, news sites, magazines, videos—everything is in place, and it will only get better. Drop your foolish theory of ‘reconciliation’! We have established a strong base. I’ve studied their documents and activities—what ‘Worker-Farmer Liberation Society,’ ‘Dongfeng,’ ‘Marx-Lenin-Mao groups,’ and ‘Revolutionary Unity’—laughable. They went to ‘reconcile’ with the workers, but three out of four ran back home! One plays games, another dates, another fears factory hardship—all in their documents. Their spontaneous, leaderless ideological struggle activities will never reach our level even if they do it for ten years. We’ve said we should work with workers, but just working isn’t enough; ideological struggle must be involved in labor reform; otherwise, it’ll bring petty-bourgeois ideas into the working class.
Cheng, did you ever listen carefully? Who do you rely on to build a new society and escape suffering? Don’t rely on us? Or the leftist circle? Watch their actions. And think: only we sincerely treat you. If you still mingle with the leftist circle, I advise you not to be deceived by them. They are just Petofilius Club. Cheng truly cannot put himself in others’ shoes; he’s become more selfish after leaving the organization. I speak frankly—accusing you like this, I am still patient enough to communicate with you. Don’t you feel this is outrageous? You still don’t understand that we are trying to save you? Cheng, think carefully—your future depends on this. Think well, don’t indulge in lust anymore, because lust will make you forget everything meaningful!”
Cheng, meanwhile, said, “I won’t say these (referring to slandering the association), I disdain talking nonsense with others,” and expressed that he was contemplating “whether to continue the revolution,” but after the scheduled 5 p.m. the next afternoon, Cheng also had no further communication with the association.
The most shameless part of these people is that the association has given them multiple chances to reform and repeatedly stated that even now, as long as they sincerely communicate, they are still welcome to debate — if they truly are as they claim to be “haters of evil” and “thirst for truth.”
But what is the reality? The fact is, because the self-proclaimed “masses” and “Marxist-Leninist-Maoists” in the “Continuing Revolution Society” know that public debate would only make them a laughingstock, know that the truth is not on their side, and know that rumors can be shattered with a single poke, they have no courage to come out openly. They only dare to keep spreading rumors, slandering, and attacking within their mouse nests. And yet, they still dare to call themselves “upright and honorable.” What a shining example of integrity! If spreading rumors and slander in private, attempting to infiltrate and sabotage internally, and even reporting to the revisionist police are considered “upright and honorable,” then you, gentlemen of the “Continuing Revolution Society,” are truly the most “upright and honorable” people in the world!
That person who calls himself “Comrade Lei,” judging by his experience, was probably a former member who defected from the association, “Cheng.” You say you were persecuted inside the association—what kind of persecution was it? Let’s take a look:
Four years ago, this “Comrade Lei” was still an active member within an organized group. At that time, he was a middle school student who was constantly bullied at school, even to the point of being pressed down into the urinal, while his family ignored the situation. The predecessor organization of the association, nearly all its members, strategized to fight against the bullies, ultimately preventing him from being physically harmed again by them. Later, his family, due to his bourgeois academic performance, increased pressure and control over him, but nearly all association members again helped him struggle against his parents, finally gaining him some freedom. When he was unwell, association members cared for him, asked about his health and thoughts, and urged him to take care of himself. When a traitor who had betrayed the association earlier and had offline contact with “Mr. Lei” harassed him severely, affecting his life, the collective also strategized to teach him how to fight back against that traitor (though now they probably get along well), advising him to stay away from that traitor… Such examples are countless, but I don’t remember all the details, so I won’t elaborate further. Others can add more.
How did this “Cheng,” alias “Comrade Lei,” repay everyone? In early 2022, Cheng, due to long-term masturbation and obsession with low-level pleasures within the group, neglected organizational affairs and responded to caring comrades with perfunctory, meaningless chatter, causing very negative influence. After months of continuous troublemaking, because he could no longer adapt to the rhythm of formal organizational activities and was solely concerned with his own interests, a democratic vote was held, and with his consent, he was removed from the formal organization, becoming a peripheral member (not expelled outright, because the collective believed in “punishing the past to prevent future issues” and wanted to help him reform). However, as soon as “Cheng”—our “Comrade Lei”—left the formal organization, he immediately expressed bitterly in the peripheral organization with a venomous remark: “Finally liberated!” showing his resentment that the formal organization forbade him from masturbating and indulging in low pleasures. His action angered all members, and he was removed from the group chat for the first time.
After being expelled, “Cheng” was very panicked (I guess he hadn’t found any substitute groups and feared being oppressed in capitalist society without backing), immediately kowtowed to the admin L and issued long self-criticism texts. Under the organization’s instructions, admin L maintained a one-on-one contact with him—not reintegrating him into the organization immediately, but communicating daily about his thoughts and life, hoping that once he fully recognized his mistakes and corrected them, he could rejoin. Think about it: if the association were truly as some say—“radical,” “far-left,” sectarian, and engaged in “brutal suppression”—why would it spend so much effort on this “Comrade Lei”? Besides saving his political life and increasing the number of Marxists in Chinese society, and reducing the petty bourgeoisie who are bullied, to strengthen the future proletarian revolution, does the association gain any selfish or personal benefit from this?
Thus, after a period of one-on-one contact with admin L, he issued a self-criticism admitting his problems and made some changes in life. In the summer of 2023, the collective re-admitted him as a peripheral member. But after some activities, Cheng, living a parasitic and comfortable life, quickly became corrupt in thought. When asked about his activities, he would pretend to be dead or deceive the collective into thinking he was gaining benefits【more details can be added when others provide them】, and then resumed causing trouble. At that time, members of the peripheral organization and Fenghuo Flame stayed up all night talking with him, explaining the revolutionary path, interests, and future, but he only superficially responded, secretly harbored resentment, and even openly opposed to protect his personal interests in watching porn and indulging in pleasures. In voice chats, he muttered insults at admin Q: “Fuck!”. Two other members of the peripheral organization, Y and J, who had also been expelled and then returned, acted out of personalism by “magic duel” during Cheng’s (i.e., “Comrade Lei”) fierce opposition, using brutal tactics to question and pressure him. But the formal members and other peripheral members criticized these two, urging them to self-criticize, and stopped this harmful trend, continuing the principle of gentle persuasion, punishing the past, and helping him resolve ideological issues.
After several nights of heart-to-heart chats, Cheng showed some signs of remorse, and everyone encouraged him. But internally, Cheng still felt he was unfairly treated, ignoring others’ efforts, and secretly harbored hostile thoughts. The reality was that the admins Q and many members who helped him did so selflessly, waking up early for work, participating in organizational activities, and staying up late to save his political life—while this “Comrade Lei” treated all this as persecution! Despite this, everyone did not give up on him, maintained gentle persuasion, and never cursed him or insulted him in any way, doing their best to save him.
And how did our “Cheng,” our “Comrade Lei,” repay the collective? After continuously avoiding his problems, he fell silent for several months, using silence, sitting still, and repeating the same words to persecute other members【this behavior truly harms the organization and wastes others’ lives!】, and in early 2024, he suddenly attacked by leaving the peripheral group chat, completely discarding the efforts and dedication of dozens of people over months【Note: The association had many people leave for personal reasons, which was unavoidable. Those who insisted on leaving could do so without coercion, but as a former member, there was a duty to clarify reasons, promise not to spread rumors or attack after leaving】, and immediately joined with traitors like Dali Shi, viciously slandering the organization, attacking its revolutionary line, turning the gratitude shown to him into poisoned arrows aimed at the collective. I think I can call him a traitorous ingrate white-eyed wolf without any problem!
But Marxist organizations are ultimately revolutionary organizations, organizations of liberation, not for personal gain but for the public good. The association has no personal grudges with him; if he is willing to return, the door is always open. Even Fenghuo Flame tried to contact him last April, asking about his life, affectionately calling him “Xiao Cheng,” and extending an olive branch—this was not only for him. The revolutionary cause is constantly developing and advancing, and the organization is evolving day by day. To expand Marxist influence and change others’ lives, the association reached out to him and many others who had left for personal reasons, most of whom, after careful consideration, chose to rejoin and have begun contributing again.
But Cheng not only failed to respond but continued to associate with “Leftists,” spreading rumors and slander about the organization outside. Until the beginning of this year, he re-established contact with the organization, which, based on Marxist principles, brought him to a temporary exchange place to try to save him. We talked to him patiently, but he immediately began to slander and spew wild words【see other comrades’ chat records】, pretending to stand up for those expelled, claiming to seek justice for them—but ironically, shortly after starting this farce, many of those he claimed to defend returned to the collective and began to play active roles! Despite this, we never gave up on him, kept explaining, and refuted all his “persecution” fallacies. In the end, he was speechless. When asked if he had any thoughts or wanted to rejoin, he, seeing he was at a loss for words, pretended to be reasonable and asked for a night to think, promising to give an answer the next day.
But after that, he never contacted the collective again and disappeared completely. We didn’t press him further, as not everyone wants to return to the collective and live a Marxist-guided life again. But what makes people angry is that this ungrateful traitor, after leaving the collective, actually reconnected with “Leftists,” spreading slander to the extreme. I believe the organization has never mistreated “Comrade Lei”; on the contrary, it has provided many help that cannot be measured in money. I want to tell “Cheng”: your current tricks of counter-revolutionary double-dealing are utterly disgusting! Shameful! Here, I quote Engels, the revolutionary mentor, to reply to “Cheng”—that is, “Comrade Lei” and your group of “Continuing Counter-Revolution Society” maggots: “German capitalists know that Germany is nothing but a cesspool. But they are very comfortable in this cesspool because they themselves are the dung, and the surrounding dung keeps them warm.” You are living happily in the cesspool built by revisionists and domestic and foreign bourgeoisie, and you enjoy this life. Keep writhing happily in the cesspool! Keep gorging and huddling in there! You belong to that place, but you can never drag any honest and upright person into your cesspool. All you will get is the spittle of the broadest masses of workers and revolutionaries!
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Actually, I find it quite hard to understand. If you write articles to criticize the forum, why do you only hide them in your own group chat? When others bring them up, you say it’s espionage activity. If you want to criticize Fenghuo and the forum, but even your articles criticizing them are only hidden in small corners, what kind of struggle is this? After all, the forum is a place much more open than that group chat. If this place is wrong, then it is continuously publicly “poisoning” the masses! Allowing “wrong” ideas to spread unchecked is not the style of someone pursuing the truth, right? When can we have some decent debates to help the masses distinguish right from wrong?
The pictures above are really a perfect example of a declaration of allegiance. Isn’t this “becoming”? Just post some evidence showing that there’s no logic at all, and come to the Continuing Revolution Society as a greeting? The words are contradictory and nonsensical, yet you make yourself sound so good. And you talk about “unusual anger” and “emotional people”—when Cheng talks about “feelings,” is he referring to the fact that, as a traitor, he betrayed the association multiple times, yet still faces an association that cares about him and even offers him a chance to reform, but he stubbornly refuses to let go of his decadent, perverse lifestyle, and throws tantrums when communicating with the association? Seeing how you portray yourself as so innocent, how come you still have a secondary account? Why not talk about your past activities with the Continuing Revolution Society? Cheng definitely does not want to admit his true identity, after all, he is in the Continuing Revolution Society, and one of its features is that some old traitors have changed dozens of aliases to act as clowns there.
Now it seems Cheng has also joined the performance of the Continuing Revolution Society. This so-called performance of being persecuted by the revolution is truly astonishing. Think about it—Cheng used to cause so many problems, even colluded with the traitor Sun, maintaining a tenuous relationship, and even brought many security risks to us. But we repeatedly extended a helping hand to Cheng, giving him opportunities, and for a long time, we did not fundamentally define Cheng’s actions. Recently, many of our members discussed whether he should return to the revolution, but he turned it into persecution. Who is the one causing trouble? Who is lying after entering the association? And then there are people like Hong and Xu from the Continuing Revolution Society, who use black rhetoric fabricated from traitors who defected from us multiple times, jumping around—this is your greatness, your brightness, your justice? Hiding in a small sect, changing multiple aliases to spread rumors, slander, lure traitors, and other leftist groups, inciting some leftists to attack us—that’s your so-called “revolution” and “revolutionary” cause!
Public response from Xu Bogu:
October Ghost Fire, you can now come to xmpp to confront me face-to-face. I have never participated in your bullshit organization, I only heard about it, so please don’t speculate about who I am. I hope that when the time comes, comrades from the Workers and Peasants Liberation Society won’t censor his words, so that some comrades who are not clear about the truth can see his true face.
However, I previously went to your forum. At first, I even wrote an article saying that your main aspect is revolutionary (now that I think about it, I probably was blind to write such words). As a result, you slandered me as a “counter-party small essay,” and then, without any evidence, you completely subjectively slandered Hongliu. I found it funny, so I casually replied once and then stopped looking at their forum. These people played a very despicable trick: after banning me, they called on me to debate on their forum, but I naturally couldn’t come out, so they proudly announced, “Xu Bogu is hiding and dare not come out!”
So, October Ghost Fire, are you using such methods to deceive the people in your group and slander us wildly? Are you afraid that your group members will see your true face? Just share my words in your group!
Due to the repeated conspiracy, tricks, and slander by October Fire and others, I will not go to their forum. If you really want to clarify the truth, don’t hide in your own forum scheming. You can freely @ me in any open xmpp group for debate.
A month ago, I publicly declared my identity, and at that time I also said that although they repeatedly cause trouble in various xmpp open groups, I did not ban them. They can come for a big debate at any time, instead of suddenly flooding in to cause trouble and then suddenly log out all at once.
That’s enough already, you, and those fools from the Red Flower Blooming group, are mixed together, and you even revealed that you know so many people from Cheqian. You’re not a traitor, but you know their identities, so what are you still spouting? And can you stop opening alt accounts? Weren’t you already unbanned?
I’ve noticed your words are just like that of Xing Zhi Mi Wu, is that your new alias? Or did you encourage him? Are you still passing the baton here? Moreover, the reason for banning you has been made clear: because you can see discussions at People’s Square, and your garbage leftist circle has people transporting messages from People’s Square into your nest, so I had to ban your account. And after someone raised this issue, I already unbanned you. Did you come back?
It’s already quite funny that you can say that. Haven’t I always debated with you guys on forums? Isn’t this forum open to anyone, registered or not? And once registered, you can post. Otherwise, how do you explain all the trash you’re posting now? I’m not afraid others won’t see your true face. And you need to repost? Haven’t you seen our organization’s people on the forum every day? As soon as your clown crew shows up, I’ll let everyone enjoy the show. “Hiding in your own forum” is really laughable. Isn’t this forum open to the public? If you’re in the right, come debate. Look at Xing Zhi Mi Wu—who’s stopping him from speaking? On the contrary, your gang just wants to pull a bunch of disconnected leftists who have no audience in that xmpp group and dominate the scene, which is laughable. Stop your ridiculous schemes of wearing multiple masks and stirring up trouble everywhere. And you want me to go to xmpp? You guys can even create fake accounts to impersonate me there—do you really have the nerve to say that? Want me to fall into your trap again, and then you’ll create a fake Fenghuo to pretend to be me, just to boast about your victory, right?
And what’s this about publicly declaring your identity? Aren’t you still mixed in that Continuing Reform Society? With so many traitors gathering, how could you know them? Who are they? Have you made this public? Stop pretending here.